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		<title>By: patricia</title>
		<link>http://patriciaswisdom.com/2009/01/taking-it-on-architecture2030-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dot,
thanks for adding to the conversation here...I found Washington DC to be very traditional and Southern is a good way to think about it too.  I have to keep in mind that it is drummed into out heads that organic is more expensive and I am sure Washington DC is an expensive city to live in....What all the folks I listen to are saying that organics are not more expensive and if they are not trucked in or flown in they can be even less money in season. 

The savings in health care for my family has been phenomenal.  Princeton is very close to NYC and Einstein lived there, but I found it to be one of the most traditional, provincial places I had ever lived.   

Bill Moyer&#039;s Journal did a series on food recently that was very amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dot,<br />
thanks for adding to the conversation here&#8230;I found Washington DC to be very traditional and Southern is a good way to think about it too.  I have to keep in mind that it is drummed into out heads that organic is more expensive and I am sure Washington DC is an expensive city to live in&#8230;.What all the folks I listen to are saying that organics are not more expensive and if they are not trucked in or flown in they can be even less money in season. </p>
<p>The savings in health care for my family has been phenomenal.  Princeton is very close to NYC and Einstein lived there, but I found it to be one of the most traditional, provincial places I had ever lived.   </p>
<p>Bill Moyer&#8217;s Journal did a series on food recently that was very amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
		<link>http://patriciaswisdom.com/2009/01/taking-it-on-architecture2030-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve come to discover that DC is a collection of folks from all over America, and many of them are congressional staff from areas where modernity has yet to reach.  Organic food, for instance, is just starting to take hold.  It&#039;s shocking, considernig how close we are to New York, but this is really a very provincial city, and a very southern city.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dots last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/deeperissues/eVcQ/~3/512596955/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Presidential Inauguration&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve come to discover that DC is a collection of folks from all over America, and many of them are congressional staff from areas where modernity has yet to reach.  Organic food, for instance, is just starting to take hold.  It&#8217;s shocking, considernig how close we are to New York, but this is really a very provincial city, and a very southern city.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Dots last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/deeperissues/eVcQ/~3/512596955/" rel="nofollow">The Presidential Inauguration</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
		<link>http://patriciaswisdom.com/2009/01/taking-it-on-architecture2030-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dot,
We can only do the best we can in our circumstances and you do well with your recycling books and finding the borrowing group for used books.  
It took our community nearly 10 years to get curb side recycling going and now they take kitchen scraps even...we have compost bins but yard waste pick up is on Mondays and they provide the containers.  We just kept approaching the city to keep investigating and when we could prove that it saved the city much money they got in...they even do a program for schools and put out a newsletter.
Seattle has a homeless shelter now with gardens on the roof, cleaning folks,  laundry people and food ...they have found this renovated approach to the mentally ill and alcoholics freezing to death on the streets is working better...folks can have their pets and it is saving the city thousands of dollars a month.  
It is fascinating to me that you are so close to Washington DC and our Capital is not a shining example of ingenuity.
Solar panels are changing all the time...we just have to keep working on these these and researching .  Ed Begley is very exciting stuff...as are the houses made out of corn cobs and mud in Vancouver BC...
We just need to keep it on focus!
Thank you for commenting and keeping the discussion going forward...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dot,<br />
We can only do the best we can in our circumstances and you do well with your recycling books and finding the borrowing group for used books.<br />
It took our community nearly 10 years to get curb side recycling going and now they take kitchen scraps even&#8230;we have compost bins but yard waste pick up is on Mondays and they provide the containers.  We just kept approaching the city to keep investigating and when we could prove that it saved the city much money they got in&#8230;they even do a program for schools and put out a newsletter.<br />
Seattle has a homeless shelter now with gardens on the roof, cleaning folks,  laundry people and food &#8230;they have found this renovated approach to the mentally ill and alcoholics freezing to death on the streets is working better&#8230;folks can have their pets and it is saving the city thousands of dollars a month.<br />
It is fascinating to me that you are so close to Washington DC and our Capital is not a shining example of ingenuity.<br />
Solar panels are changing all the time&#8230;we just have to keep working on these these and researching .  Ed Begley is very exciting stuff&#8230;as are the houses made out of corn cobs and mud in Vancouver BC&#8230;<br />
We just need to keep it on focus!<br />
Thank you for commenting and keeping the discussion going forward&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, architectural changes are expensive, and those of us who live in condos can&#039;t make them anyway.  I did look into building a solar panel and discovered that a 2 x 4 foot panel if kept in the sun for 24 hours might generate enough energy to charge one AA battery!  I wish I could say that I&#039;m doing a lot for the environment, but the truth is that even recycling is hard when you can&#039;t drive.  My neighbors are not crazy about driving my trash to the recycle center for me.

As you probably know, Ed Begley, Jr., the former movie star, lives off the grid, and has made a lot of changes.  Two interesting but difficult ones are that they use a composting toilet flushed with &quot;gray&quot; water (used bath water, for example), and they grow a vegetable garden on their roof, which provides great insulation.

His website is at http://www.edbegley.com/environment/.  In his Tips and FAQ, he says, &quot;I hooked up my exercise bike to my battery array in 1990 and it’s still working great!&quot;

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dots last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/deeperissues/eVcQ/~3/512596955/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Presidential Inauguration&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, architectural changes are expensive, and those of us who live in condos can&#8217;t make them anyway.  I did look into building a solar panel and discovered that a 2 x 4 foot panel if kept in the sun for 24 hours might generate enough energy to charge one AA battery!  I wish I could say that I&#8217;m doing a lot for the environment, but the truth is that even recycling is hard when you can&#8217;t drive.  My neighbors are not crazy about driving my trash to the recycle center for me.</p>
<p>As you probably know, Ed Begley, Jr., the former movie star, lives off the grid, and has made a lot of changes.  Two interesting but difficult ones are that they use a composting toilet flushed with &#8220;gray&#8221; water (used bath water, for example), and they grow a vegetable garden on their roof, which provides great insulation.</p>
<p>His website is at <a href="http://www.edbegley.com/environment/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edbegley.com/environment/</a>.  In his Tips and FAQ, he says, &#8220;I hooked up my exercise bike to my battery array in 1990 and it’s still working great!&#8221;</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Dots last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/deeperissues/eVcQ/~3/512596955/" rel="nofollow">The Presidential Inauguration</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Friar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@patricia

I work in a small town with one employer.   Half the people are double-income married PhD professionals.    The other half are local-yokels who&#039;ve been together since 18, and they&#039;re grandparents at age 36. 

I&#039;m from &quot;outside&quot;.   So I dunno where I fit in

...(and maybe that&#039;s a GOOD thing!) ;-)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Friars last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/recent-update-on-basil-the-special-dog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Recent Update on Basil the Special Dog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@patricia</p>
<p>I work in a small town with one employer.   Half the people are double-income married PhD professionals.    The other half are local-yokels who&#8217;ve been together since 18, and they&#8217;re grandparents at age 36. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m from &#8220;outside&#8221;.   So I dunno where I fit in</p>
<p>&#8230;(and maybe that&#8217;s a GOOD thing!) <img src='http://patriciaswisdom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Friars last blog post..<a href="http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/recent-update-on-basil-the-special-dog/" rel="nofollow">Recent Update on Basil the Special Dog</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friar,
You are saving energy without children, I think the world doesn&#039;t need so many children if it is going to survive.

We do use rain barrels for roof run off to water the yard with, but we also have to let them run open when there are storms and run our 2 sump pumps to keep the bedrooms from flooding. That uses energy.

I am trying to explore all the obstacles and keep moving through this zen proverb  &quot;The obstacle is the path&quot;  to keep me rejoicing in the exploration.
Thank you for your good comments and ideas.

Do you work in an isolated part of the country/ Canada?  there is no relationship?  too much snow?  or bliss on the Internet?  he, hee  Just speculating here... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friar,<br />
You are saving energy without children, I think the world doesn&#8217;t need so many children if it is going to survive.</p>
<p>We do use rain barrels for roof run off to water the yard with, but we also have to let them run open when there are storms and run our 2 sump pumps to keep the bedrooms from flooding. That uses energy.</p>
<p>I am trying to explore all the obstacles and keep moving through this zen proverb  &#8220;The obstacle is the path&#8221;  to keep me rejoicing in the exploration.<br />
Thank you for your good comments and ideas.</p>
<p>Do you work in an isolated part of the country/ Canada?  there is no relationship?  too much snow?  or bliss on the Internet?  he, hee  Just speculating here&#8230; <img src='http://patriciaswisdom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Friar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patricia

Municipal water costs money and energy to produce...so you&#039;d probably be just as good to just to collect the rainwater from your roof for watering the lawn or your vegetable garden.

I guess you could say I&#039;m saving a LOT of energy, because I don&#039;t have any kids (who consume a lot of resources).   

So theoretically I could say I&#039;m helping save the planet.

Well, not really.   That&#039;s a matter of circumstance (not deliberate choice).  Heh heh  ;-)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Friars last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/recent-update-on-basil-the-special-dog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Recent Update on Basil the Special Dog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patricia</p>
<p>Municipal water costs money and energy to produce&#8230;so you&#8217;d probably be just as good to just to collect the rainwater from your roof for watering the lawn or your vegetable garden.</p>
<p>I guess you could say I&#8217;m saving a LOT of energy, because I don&#8217;t have any kids (who consume a lot of resources).   </p>
<p>So theoretically I could say I&#8217;m helping save the planet.</p>
<p>Well, not really.   That&#8217;s a matter of circumstance (not deliberate choice).  Heh heh  <img src='http://patriciaswisdom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Friars last blog post..<a href="http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/recent-update-on-basil-the-special-dog/" rel="nofollow">Recent Update on Basil the Special Dog</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jannie,
We can all do our best and keep adding things as we learn how, it is rather fun.  And as you can see Friar says my water mill idea is not possible (My honey had the same response!) But I did read a great article about a lower cost Solar energy balloon catcher that works better than the panels on houses...keeping the idea door open!
Friar,
My honey says the same thing...www.bikingarchitect.com.  So now I am investigating the small windmills that many city residents are using right now ...and working on the Solar balloon too...which Honey says we can not afford.

I just wished my Internet service would get fixed and not keep going up and down....117 calls and everyone is passing the buck - now this is a really big waste of energy...hmmm

thanks for your comments and adding to the list</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jannie,<br />
We can all do our best and keep adding things as we learn how, it is rather fun.  And as you can see Friar says my water mill idea is not possible (My honey had the same response!) But I did read a great article about a lower cost Solar energy balloon catcher that works better than the panels on houses&#8230;keeping the idea door open!<br />
Friar,<br />
My honey says the same thing&#8230;www.bikingarchitect.com.  So now I am investigating the small windmills that many city residents are using right now &#8230;and working on the Solar balloon too&#8230;which Honey says we can not afford.</p>
<p>I just wished my Internet service would get fixed and not keep going up and down&#8230;.117 calls and everyone is passing the buck &#8211; now this is a really big waste of energy&#8230;hmmm</p>
<p>thanks for your comments and adding to the list</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the stumble and tweet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the stumble and tweet!</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dot,
Thank you for the information about the Smart Sticks being on amazon.com.  I think they are less expensive there than from the Oprah site...
Davina,
I liked how the people lowered gas prices themselves so am determined I can do more to lower our energy usage by 50%  It does take some effort but we are getting there...and it revs up our problem solving skills..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dot,<br />
Thank you for the information about the Smart Sticks being on amazon.com.  I think they are less expensive there than from the Oprah site&#8230;<br />
Davina,<br />
I liked how the people lowered gas prices themselves so am determined I can do more to lower our energy usage by 50%  It does take some effort but we are getting there&#8230;and it revs up our problem solving skills..</p>
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